How old is the Vedic Civilization?

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Geological survey reveals that the continents move constantly. Early on there was one large continent called Pangaea which later on split into two parts; Northern Pangaea (North America and Eurasia) commonly called as Laurasia and  Southern Pangaea (South America, Africa, India , Antarctica, and Australia ) which was called as Gondwanaland. After Pangaea split, Laurasia drifted northward and Gondwanaland drifted southward with the Indian sub-continent closer to the South Pole. The presence of divergent plate boundaries found in the middle of oceans or in the middle of a continent is proof of the existence of the large continent Pangaea. As the fragmented land masses moved away from each other sea water filled up the split and the continents as we know them now were formed. Ice age in Indian subcontinent and North America could be explained if these continents had been inside the polar or circumpolar zone; this would have happened when the Indian sub-continent was part of Gondwanaland. The Indian Sub-Continent was very near the South Pole and was inside the present Antarctic Circle. Refer to the following websites.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2094202.ece  Indian Subcontinent was near South Pole.

 http://www.atlas.keystone.edu/research/geology/03HistoricalGeology.htm

It is confirmed that the Indian Sub-continent was close to the South Pole during the Late Permian period which was around 255 MYA ago. There are many Rig Vedic hymns that describe the duration of day and night in the Polar regions. There are also hymns to describe the Polar dawn and other conditions that are unique to the Polar region. A question to explore would be, are the hymns referring to the period when Indian sub-continent was inside the Antarctic Circle or has there been a time in history when the Indian sub-continent was indeed inside the Arctic circle? Could it also be that the Indian sub-continent was inside the Antarctic Circle but there had been a 180 Deg flip in the poles with Antarctica situated at/near the North Pole? Science tells us that a 180 Deg flip in the poles is quite possible. Please refer to the following websites.

http://istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/earthmag/reversal.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111130171105.htm

http://www.crawford2000.co.uk/mag.htm

In summary, the Rig Vedic hymns which we will examine tomorrow might be referring to a remote point in history when the Indian sub-continent had been inside/near the Polar Regions. If we take it to be referring to the time when the Indian sub-continent was near the South Pole, we get the date for the Vedas in millions of years (Permian period – 255 MYA).  Either the Vedic Hymns are eye witness accounts of Polar conditions or geological studies were advanced enough during the Vedic period to have been able to explore the Polar Regions.

To be continued tomorrow.

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After the exploration undertook by Captain Cook it was thought that there was no land mass near the South Pole and that the early map makers had come up with this large land mass as they believed that the land masses near the North Pole had to be balanced by land masses near the South Pole. This was proven to be incorrect after the discovery of Antarctica.  It can also be proven that the Arctic and the Antarctic were not always under ice.  Woolly mammoths have been discovered in Siberia and an examination of their stomach contents reveal the presence of flowers like butter cups; this would only have been possible if Siberia had enjoyed warm climate. Since, the mammoths have been perfectly preserved in ice and the stomach contents have not been digested the ice age must have arrived quite suddenly.  Geological survey also shows that most part of Canada & the USA as far as the Mississippi valley were under ice at least around 25,000 years ago but the Arctic, Alaska and the Yukon territory of Canada were not covered by ice and had a warmer climate.  This was possible because the North Pole had been located at the Hudson Bay. During the last ice age, the Indian sub-continent was also under ice. The presence of ice sheets in the Indian sub-continent could easily be explained by the theory of continental drift. It can be shown that the Indian sub-continent was once inside the Arctic Circle and closer to the North Pole. There are also many Rig Vedic hymns that describe these polar conditions. In my next two posts I will elaborate on continental drift and polar/circum polar conditions experienced in the Indian sub-continent. This would push the date of the Vedic civilizations to at least the time period of the last ice age.

References:
The Maps of Ancient Sea kings by Charles Hapgood

The Path of the Pole by Charles Hapgood. 

Underworld by Graham Hancock

The Fingerprint of Gods by Graham Hancock

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Piri Reis Map is the name given to an ancient map found in the pocession of the Turkish Admiral Piri Reis in the 16^th century. Piri Reis had written on the map that it had been drawn during the time of Alexander the Great. Examination of the map shows many peculiar features. The map shows the shoreline of the Americas. It shows the Amazon and the various rivers flowing from the Andes mountains and are marked on the map as they would be to an observer on a ship. The coastline matches between 4 Deg S & 40 Deg S latitudes.  The Piri Reis map shows the Queen Maud land of Antarctica in an ice free state. It shows  a large bay at the mouth of the Guadalquivir River in Spain; there is a delta in this region now. The Guadalquivir is not a large river and does not carry sediments hence it must have taken a very long time for the delta to form. The map also shows many islands in the Aegean sea which are not shown in modern day maps.   The question is why would a mapmaker who had drawn an accurate map suddenly create islands in the Aegean sea or invent the coast line of Antarctica? The longitude is mapped accurately on the map but the latitude is off by many degrees.  It can be deciphered that the map was drawn during the last ice age when the sea level was low and there were indeed many islands in the Aegean sea which have become submerged now. It can also be  deciphered that the map was drawn at a time when Antarctica was not covered by ice.  Antarctica remained ice free till 6000 BC and hence the map must have been drawn prior to 6000 B.C.  Many 16^th century maps showed a large land mass near the South Pole. Since high level of map making does not evolve overnight it is safe to say that ancient civilizations existed prior to 6000 BC. From a source that is different from the Vedic texts we can prove the existence of ancient civilizations. Then, why don’t we remember the ancient civilizations or find any remains from these civilizations? To be able to answer this question we must examine some clues from the last ice age and re visit Earth’s precessional movement again.

References:
The Maps of Ancient Sea kings by Charles Hapgood

The Path of the Pole by Charles Hapgood.

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According to the Vedic tradition there are 4 yuga cycles.

Krita Yuga = 1,728,000 years

Treta Yuga = 1,296,000 years

Dwapara Yuga = 864,000 years

Kali Yuga = 432,000 years

1 Chatur Yuga = Krita + Treta + Dwapara + Kali =  4320000 years

71 Chatur yugas = 1 Manvantara = 306720000 years. Manvantaras are age of a Manu.  Each Manvantara is created and ruled by a specific Manu who is appointed by Lord Brahma. 14 Manvantaras = 1 Kalpa ( 1 day of Brahma)

360 Kalpas = 1 Brahma Varsha

100 Brahma Varsha = 1 life span of Brahma; after this we get a new Brahma.

There are 14 Manus in total and according to the Vedas, we are in the time period of the 7^th Manu.  We are in the 28^th chatur yuga of the 7 th Manu. Let us add up to see the total number of years that have elapsed during this period of creation. At present roughly 5000 years of Kali Yuga have elapsed;  this means the Vedic civilization has seen 3893000 years of the current Chatur Yuga.  In total  civilizations have been in existence in this Manvantara for another 27 Chatur Yuga. The total number of years comes to 116640000 + 3893000 years = 120533000 years in this Manvantara alone.  This total number of years may seem fantastical. It is definitely very hard to believe that human civilizations could have been in existence for such a long period of time especially when archaeological research speaks of civilizations to have come into existence a few thousand years ago.  My next post will explore some facts to show that it is quite possible for human civilizations to have been in existence for millions of years.

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The Vedic Brahmana texts mention that the Pleiades was at the spring equinox. And even older texts describe the spring equinox as falling in the constellation Orion. By calculating the precession of equinoxes we can say that the spring equinox coincided with Orion around 4,500 BC.There are references in the Rig Veda to the winter solstice beginning in Aries; again by calculating the precession of equinoxes we reach  6,500 BC.The Puranas while describing the birth of Kartikeya describe that during the war between the gods and Kartikeya, Kartikeya was split. This refers to Kritika (Pleiades) constellation at the winter solstice and Visaka (Libra) at summer solstice. Visaka also means “split”.The Pleiades or Kritika was at winter solstice around 8500 BC. Similarly the Puranas mention that Indra stole the sun’s wheel. This refers to Jyestha being at the summer solstice around 10,000 BC as Indra is the ruler of the star Jyestha. It is further mentioned that Rohini was at winter solstice and that purvabadhra was seen to rise in the east; that is, purvabadhra was at the autumn equinox. All these refer to the year 10,000 B.C. It can be seen that the precession of equinoxes is cyclic and takes 25,800 years to complete one full circle. Hence , Jyestha was at the summer solstice in the year 10,000 BC and it would have been at this position in the year 35,800 BC and so on. Is the vedas referring to Jyeshtha at summer solstice in the year 10,000 B.C or to an earlier precessional cycle ? There is also a verse in the Rig Veda in which the Kashmir valley is described as a lake. The Kashmir valley existed as a lake around 50,000 BC! 

References:

Astro dating of event and select vignett from Indian History edited by Kosla Vepa

Gods, Sages & Kings by David Frawley

Underworld by Graham Hancock

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Astronomy is now used to date the Vedic civilization. For example it is mentioned in the Mahabharata that when Krishna informs Karna after his peace talks at Hastinapura, that Saturn is seen to afflict the star Rohini while Mars is retrograde to Jyeshta and reaches prograde after it goes past Anuradha. He also mentions that the lunar eclipse during the full moon day in the month of Karthika  and following the lunar eclipse, there will be a solar eclipse on the following new moon day. According to the result of astronomical calculations provided in the book “Astro dating of event and select vignette from Indian History” edited by Kosla Vepa, Saturn takes 29.5 years to complete one revolution around the sun. Between 500 B.C and 3500B.C we get 137 conjunctions between Saturn and Rohini. We can reduce the result further if we take into account the movement of Mars. Mars being retrograde to Jyestha and then returning prograde once past Anuradha reduces the set to  a list of 17 years. Krishna also mentioned that there was a lunar eclipse in the month of Karthika which leaves us with 2 dates 3067 BCE and 2183 BCE. Taking into account the day of Bishma’s demise leaves us with the year 3067 BCE for Mahabharata war.

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It should be noted here that though scholars divide the Vedic Civilization into subsequent periods starting with the Rig Vedic period to Yajur, Sama and Atharvana in reality the Vedas were divided into 4 sub divisions during the Dwapara Yuga by Veda Vyasa. There have been almost three yugas during which the Vedas were not divided into 4 but remained as one. Hence, it makes no sense to divide the civilization into different Vedic periods and assign different dates to each period. The Mahabharata confirms the fact that the Vedas were divided by Sage Veda Vyasa.

Satellite image of the dried –up Saraswati river bed and further geological analysis have proved that the Saraswati existed as a perennial river before 3000 B. The Vedas mention the Saraswati to be a mighty flowing perennial river; this implies that the date of the Vedic civilization could be pushed back to before 3000 B.C. We can infer from this that the Vedic civilization must have been in existence long before 3000 B.C as it takes a long time for language to evolve. The language of the Vedas shows a high degree of evolution. The Vedas have the perfect grammatical structure. 

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